Enjoyed the talk w Elan very much. It raises questions for me really. I’ve been interested in the idea of objective music / objective art since first hearing of it in reading BTTHG.
The Gurdjieff Ensemble recently performed in London and Anita and I had the great opportunity to hop on the train and make a day trip there for the concert. The stillness wedded to order and beauty entered the performance space with the first enchanting notes of “Pythia” — the only piece that Levon actually conducted. He stepped aside and listened for the rest of the program just as we did.
I love the music of Gurdjieff and DeHartmann…I can return to it when I feel the need for a certain kind of connection within the parts of my being. It is food. It deepens my approach to prayer. At times, even after listening to the music and the activities of the day need to be performed, the rhythm or melody of a certain piece revisits me later during the task or later during meditation. I’m grateful for the power of music to so feed these parts of myself that keep my inner compass aligned with my “higher self.”
I still have the question about objective music…for it to affect all people regardless of culture, ethnicity, type or taste, etc,
Anita brought up Wallace Stevens’ poem, The Snow Man. I’m sure you’re familiar with it. It makes me wonder if objective feeling is something we subjectively wish for with varying levels of intensity. An objective experience ? Open question,
There always seems to be something from within myself that colors the moment no matter how deeply spiritual it may be.
Thank you, Lee and Elan. It took me a little while to mesh with the direction of your discussion, Elan, but by the end, I realised in all my Being that you were sharing what is also in my essence in relation to music. Affirmation comes of a direction for me that I've long known but have sometimes struggled to articulate. There are many such pieces of music from the great composers that are more than just music but are, in a sense, legominisms, as they speak of, open us up to, higher realms, expressing the deepest longing for Being... or, as Madame said (you mention), a nostalgia for Being. Two that immediately come to mind are Bach's Cantata BWV 82, Ich Habe Genug, and the second movement of Ravel's piano concerto in F. Blessings to you both.
Enjoyed the talk w Elan very much. It raises questions for me really. I’ve been interested in the idea of objective music / objective art since first hearing of it in reading BTTHG.
The Gurdjieff Ensemble recently performed in London and Anita and I had the great opportunity to hop on the train and make a day trip there for the concert. The stillness wedded to order and beauty entered the performance space with the first enchanting notes of “Pythia” — the only piece that Levon actually conducted. He stepped aside and listened for the rest of the program just as we did.
I love the music of Gurdjieff and DeHartmann…I can return to it when I feel the need for a certain kind of connection within the parts of my being. It is food. It deepens my approach to prayer. At times, even after listening to the music and the activities of the day need to be performed, the rhythm or melody of a certain piece revisits me later during the task or later during meditation. I’m grateful for the power of music to so feed these parts of myself that keep my inner compass aligned with my “higher self.”
I still have the question about objective music…for it to affect all people regardless of culture, ethnicity, type or taste, etc,
Anita brought up Wallace Stevens’ poem, The Snow Man. I’m sure you’re familiar with it. It makes me wonder if objective feeling is something we subjectively wish for with varying levels of intensity. An objective experience ? Open question,
There always seems to be something from within myself that colors the moment no matter how deeply spiritual it may be.
Thank you, Lee and Elan. It took me a little while to mesh with the direction of your discussion, Elan, but by the end, I realised in all my Being that you were sharing what is also in my essence in relation to music. Affirmation comes of a direction for me that I've long known but have sometimes struggled to articulate. There are many such pieces of music from the great composers that are more than just music but are, in a sense, legominisms, as they speak of, open us up to, higher realms, expressing the deepest longing for Being... or, as Madame said (you mention), a nostalgia for Being. Two that immediately come to mind are Bach's Cantata BWV 82, Ich Habe Genug, and the second movement of Ravel's piano concerto in F. Blessings to you both.
Brilliant, thanks so much Lee.